Lady Jade

UoForums is not carebear moderated.
There are no personal attacks n such on their Bublic boards. I don't see a problem with this . besides the public boards are not our forums.
Individual guild forums are up to the guilds moderators same as on f4g.
this argument is invalid.

Cal Soulshadow

Floria - Forums can be how we want as Marty won't be running them any more, we will. Since we won't need donations, then incentives such as arcade etc won't be needed.
So things like having your own user title can be arranged.

Esca - the forums will be hosted on a Jolt server but not managed by Jolt personnel, they'll be managed by us, so your ban won't be an issue

Twothumb

So its the same as in f4g and uoforums of how the forums will look
its the other aspects that we can discuss then

John

I want to change servers because I don't like the name.

Seriously,my main concern is, if we have someone working on keeping this server going that is "tired of it". Maybe we should consider leaving for his sake.

My other concern is longevity. Will our posts be there in 5 years? When I began seeking out RPers a few months ago, the depth and history of the posts here is what sold me on it. To be honest at the end of it, f4g was pretty impressive the stories and histories you people have done. I know that we still have the memories but to an onlooker this kind of thing stands out, believe me, I was an onlooker six months ago or so. We have lost that recruitment tool for now but I want to ensure we'll have it again later.

Another thing is the money, with a bigger population on the forums we will share the burden of keeping it open with other people, even non rpers. No we won't be the center of our universe, but we need to quit isolating ourselves anyway. I was chewed out, (in a nice way ) awhile back for not intermingling with blues in game, how is this any different?

In the end it doesn't hurt to have Devs see our complaints and suggestions. Let's let those guys know that RPers play UO because it is the best game for that kind of thing and that we need to be heard also.

One of the major concerns to others is being edited or deleted to death. I want the forums to be constructively respectful.

I would like to ask the person running this thing if they really want to do it and if they are not fully committed to it, I want to move, simple as that.

Grim Dysart

Another in favor UOForums. It offers professional stability and increased public exposure to the UO community. What does f4g offer that UOF does not? Besides familiarity? And how much does that familiarity even matter when literally everything has been wiped away?

Raul

Well im with Devlin and Floria really, UO forums is the place to be if we want to put ourselves on the map so to speak. Locking ourselves away in a dingy server noone knows is bad, if we want to grow and attract new blood and dev attention UO Forums is the place to be.

I have read through the rules there and to be honest moving to UO Forums will solve one of the biggest problems this community has, that being the nasty, spiteful and uneveness that posters and posts on F4g.net seem to suffer from.

UO Forums have everything we need and more if you ask me.

Cal Soulshadow

John - Marty won't be looking after f4g after the server move so that's not a problem. The issue he had was that he was working away from home four days a week and didn't get time. But as he'll be handing them to us, so to speak, then it's no longer an issue.

Nor is stability as it'll be on the best hardware with proper maintenance.

Sally Buttons

What exactly do you mean by that? Do you really think that all the mods here are nasty, spiteful and uneven, and only here to spoil the fun of poor innocent posters? If you had seen some of the vicious and hateful posts that have been removed from here, you wouldn't say that.
Sorry Raul, I have the greatest respect for you as a roleplayer, but that comment is really out of order.
No, the mods don't always get it right, but there is no need for that attitude. That is PRECISELY the sort of thing that causes bad feeling on here and you are deliberately stirring things.

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John

What about the money? Will we be able to raise enough money to keep it going or will it be cheaper?

Cal Soulshadow

It'll be free.

Raul

Please do not put words in my mouth Sally or try and turn purely innocent comments into something they are not. I was not singling out anyone or any particular incident, but there is a problem Sally and has been for very long time now.

Paladis

Due to having just lost everything i think most seem unwilling to gamble on something unknown.

UOforums is presently working and people can see that...its established.

F4g bombed out and people are bitter about it. What people need to remember is that F4g was run by Marty for years who did a damn good job of doing it...until RL work took over which no doubt left him less and less time to commit to the forums.Unlike many that would rather point the finger at his failings (the backup issue) i think he did well to keep things going for so long as he did as is likely more gutted than most to see so much work go down the drain.

IF F4g moved to Jolt servers it would free up the need for Marty's commitment as he wouldn't have to dedicate his time to it anymore...as he wouldn't be the one in control.

The reason Cal is banging her head against a brickwall (in my opinion) is because most want stability instead of the unknown. Jolt being an extremely large concern can no doubt be trusted to constantly backup files BUT who will give an extra backup facility incase of the .01% possibility Jolt bombs out (highly unlikely i know)? Who will be ultimately in control (We is far to generalised)?

To be blunt some will see it as 'Cal will be incharge' and likely wont like that idea due to past differences.Gives me no joy at all to say that at all.

Cal Soulshadow

I certainly won't be in charge, I'm just in a position to be able to arrange the move for these forums, and as someone who actually gives a toss about the forums and community, I will do what I can to help. I have absolutely no intention of being Tillek mk 2, or whatever people imagine.

Our existing admins will continue to do their admin jobs and run the site, as before, but Jolt's own techs look after the hardware and are very reliable. If a site goes down, they get paged and can reboot it remotely. In case it's a hardware issue an engineer will be paged. They will not, however, interfere with content.
And of course there are back-ups - that goes without saying.

Cerys Slowtree

As ACE, we had guild forums on Stratics, and it was somewhat frustrating.

Stratics forums are prone to going down and being laggy as some people here will have noticed. They also retain not only admin but also some moderating powers themselves, and so as a moderator one is constantly needing to refer tasks to the admin, who is based in the US and thus not online at the same time that Europeans are.

I am not at all confident that devs read the guild forums, since they are pretty much dead and have been so for some time.

Rangarig

My pragmatic two-cents as an (now) outsider ...

• Technically, there is no difference between using F4G and UOForums, seeing as they both run on the same Forum Software. The only difference are the modifications and add-ons you might find on one or the other.
• Reliability will be equal on both ends, though due to the heavier traffic on UO Forums, a dedicated F4G server on Jolt will be more responsive and quicker. Due to the fact that some of the Admins, if not all, come from your own community, you may even find some extras and advantages that you might not see on UO Forums.
• There is actually a chance that F4G might cease to exist if CoRE takes a unified step away from it.
• If the Dev's care enough about CoRE, they will come read the CoRE Forums whether they are on UO Forums or on F4G. If not, then the move to UO Forums is rather pointless.

Since everyone seems to be upset and focussing on the fact that there was no backup of the forums made and that all the posts were lost, I just wonder what your excuse is for not having made printouts/copies of the relevant posts and threads yourselves. I just wonder if people realise how much was done for them in the past, in addition to the invested money, without asking them for anything in return. After all, F4G was here when Stratics started their crackdown, when the ERPA/CoRE shizm happened and none of you wanted to remain under Tillek's thumb and control, when the Stratics Guild forums were so slow that they were sheer unusable. Of course, whatever you do is for the best of the community, but just consider that this time, there might not be an F4G to come back to if UO Forums does not turn out to be the promised land ...

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