Rabin

I listened to the other viewpoint and decided I prefer F4G. It's my choice. Others prefer UOF, that's their choice and I have no problem with it. I've explained over several posts and replies why I don't like UOF, why do you assume I haven't listened to others' viewpoints?

How could I be arguing with them unless I had a viewpoint opposed to theirs, and therefore knew what their viewpoint was?

If being told to 'grow up' provokes someone, then they have problems tbh. I laugh my socks off at people who say that to me.

Maturity is about having the courage of your convictions, not thinking people are getting 'personal' if they don't agree with you.

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Devlin

You think that you telling someone to 'grow up!' is in NO way provocation? Sorry, but that's a lie dude.

And you call this respecting other people's opinions? :-



On a less faggy note, I like the idea of moving to UOForums. Count me in!

Adam_UOForums

Hello all,

I'm not here to steal anyone away from the f4g.net domain, or rant on about why people should use UOForums as opposed to this domain, whether you decide to use either site, is entirely upto you.

My site is there for the community, not traffic, profit or anything else.

But, I would like to touch on a few points..

The same applies to UOForums, there is no complex application system or political crap to go through before getting your forum.
Forums are setup the minute I get to read the PM application (I haven't setup an application form system yet, something on my To do list)
For instance, TwoThumb came to me with the idea of setting up forums for the CoRE group (Still not 100% clear on how your CoRE group works etc) and I helped him out
I spent over 2 hours setting up demo forums, changed layouts and the like, because I believe in accomodating people who may need a place for their guilds etc.
In that time, I setup 3 categories and 27 different forums, permissions, styles and answered as any questions as I could do.
I'm on from 9am GMT to 11pm GMT (roughly) everyday, so i'm allways around to add forums or fix something that's broken.

Being big isn't a disadvantage, least not on UOF
If people don't want to see any forum except THEIR forum, they will have that option (coming soon...).
If you goto uoforums.com, it IS a big layout and getting to the area you want (say the CoRE area) might confuse people not used to such a large forum, but there's an easy way around that, all guilds have to do, is request a "quick link", which means if you goto - www.uoforums.com/core
It'll go straight to the CoRE forums.

The "too friendly" arguement isn't valid, the reason?
To quote part of our guild application rules...

So really, if you have a private, password protected forum, we don't care what gets posted in there, as long as it doesn't violate our host's rules.

Our public forums of course, are somewhat different
We have set rules that people must abide by, as it IS A family orientated forum
It's friendly because we have zero tolerance for those who attack posters in a disrespectful manner or signup just to cause problems.

I didn't sleep last night, so i'm probably not making much sense, hehe.

Rabin

No - it's humour, as I said already. Apparently my sense of humour is lost on you. Not a problem, be boring if we were all the same.

I call it not disrespecting them, since I can't see anything in there that has anything to do with other people's opinions at all.

People are entitled to opinions. I seem to have said that to you already. There, see, that's respect right there...

Doesn't mean I have to ascribe any inflated sense of value to their opinion though does it?

If UOF think like you do, I'm even more certain in my choice of F4G as being the best.

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Raul

*sighs* Another promising debate goes the way of so many past CoRE ones, nice going guys.

Rabin

So we should debate without actually disagreeing with eachother, Raul?

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Snubson

You can debate, yes. You cannot bait people into flames and trolls.

Keep it on topic, without degrading comments and posts, or be warned.

Thank you.

Paladis

Just wanna thank Adam from UOforums posting here to explain his set up alot better than Twoey ever could.

Should ye visit again Adam...look bottom righthand corner of the page....Forum Jump... damn handy tool that for meself.

Eowyn

This is really just a side note, since Ive seen many people say other communities use UOF, and while that is true...

As was noted by Floria before, I, (Hutula) came from another shard originally, that being Catskills. Catskills today does once again have an rp community that is doing rather well. Not as well as Europa, but it is growing.

The point of this is, as one of the few other shards with a growing rp community, Catskills, DOESNT use UOF, and has a private board like we do. http://www.unsertech.com/

The point is, we can use UOF to advertise ourselves, spread the word to EM's and Stratics of our events etc, and communicate with the wider community that way. However, with our own community it is indeed ours. We run it, we decide what direction it goes in. As Samson pointed out with the speed with which he put up a forum, for example.

The beauty or one of the beauties of the internet is links. We could easily setup a spot on UOF that tells people about us, about our community, and then send them along the way to our private home. This is obviously a side note, and not as important as where to go.

While change is good, starting anew is good, some times it is also good to go with what you, and others know. If it is stability you seek, also consider accountability. If something goes wrong with UOF it is in the hands of the UO people in charge. Not much we can really do about them. HOwever, if on Jolt there is a problem, we atleast have a point of contact. We know who to go to directly, and know what kind of results to expect.

So on the point of making ourselves known to the wider UO world, it is very possible without releasing our unique independence. On the point of personal control, we all know how this system works and we know and play with the people who run it.

I strongly support the Jolt/f4g forums idea, even though I do recognize and accept the pro's people have mentioned of UOF, I just think those pro's can be taken advantage of while still remaining unique and in total control.

And thats my two cents.

---And yes, thank you Adam for your information, please know that I appreciate the awesome work you do. ------------

Grim Dysart

How the hell do I even view a list of all existing forums? From the main page all I have is "recent posts" and a bunch of fluff like a birthday list and some other crap.

Paladis

i have the same problem when viewing UOforums unfortunately...guess i'm not used to thier set up yet though.

Floria

after pondering this forum deal the whole evening, and reading a response by Sally, I begin to wonder if we all, including myself, take the idea that forums = community, a bit too serious.
Being roleplayers makes us part of a wider community. Not just using the same forum alone. There are lots of RPers who don't care about forums at all and yet they're still community. There's no reason that you cannot have your forum somewhere else and still be part of the community, just like BoC or Grd. If one group thinks UOforums is better, move there, if another thinks f4g is better, stay there.
Link to each other, put some links on the CoRE webpage. voilá. It sure ain't the end of the world if we do that. g'night

Paladis

I will add that i dont think the whole community will have forums in one place anymore so its likely both sides will be satisfied in some way.

Sally Buttons

is what these discussions remind me of now. People getting wound up for the sake of it, and it's getting silly.

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Klion D'Gar

Food For Thoughts -

1) UOFORUMS is small fry. It only had 926 registered members which isn't even a tenth of what F4G had. Hell Grd's forums alone boasted 125 members before they crashed the other day. This isn't intended as a dig at UOFORUMS because they seem to have an excellent community - but it's their community not the Europa roleplay community.

2) If you want exposure, you should make better use of Stratics. If people made more use of the Europa Forum it would improve the roleplay community is a whole.

3) The layout of UOFORUMS and F4G is really bad. It's hard to find the forum you want, theres millions of links and the skins are bugged. If you want to attract players you need to pour effort into improving the first thing potential members will see - your website and forums.

4) The person who 'owns' the forums needs to be someone who is unbiased and pretty cool headed. No disrespect intended but some of the names being bandied around shouldnt be trusted with control of forums since they are too hotheaded.

I hosted UD forums through thick and thin, but if they had pissed me off enough I could have wiped their forums in a second. Do people really want to have to be worried about whether they could lose their forums if they killed someone in game?

In many respect this is why Jack/Marty was ideal - he had no bias.

5) I could support these forums on a $14.99 package from my web host. The forums themselves are pathetically cheap to run, it's the addons like the Arcade and image hosting that will be causing higher overheads. With regular maintenence these forums would cost nothing to support. I literally cant comprehend why you need to be getting donations of several hundred pound a year.

6) Please dont use the term 'professional' to describe any forums/website that isn't being run as a business - these things are hobbies to people and UOFORUMS and F4G could vanish overnight if their owns decided so.