All's well that ends well (departure thread)

[Atare]

Right...I was going to post this in the private forum since I basically pour me soul out and all, but no matter. *INCOMING LONG TEXT OF DRIVEL. READ AT YOUR DISCRETION*

Okay...I've recieved a few whispers also which confirm the fact that certain people were in fact very upset with me leaving. So, in order to keep the emo at an all-time low, I'll just list the facts from my perspective as to what has led to my departure...

a) Joined about 4 months back or so-ish (this is important. I cannot leave something that I don't join after all heheh)
b) After about 1 month (or a little more) I am informed that I come off as arrogant/selfish/domineering. I take it under advisement and as a result do my best to limit my chat during raids, seeing as how this was apparently the place where it was most felt.
c) Do my best to implement it for a short time, but since I treat this as a game where I firmly believe that typing certain things does not necessarily mean what we think them to be (and that we also needen't be lawyer navel-gazers about it), I quite quickly relax about it and continue typing.
d) Raiding goes on...no one says anything to me about any further problems even though I set up a notice on the forums, shortly after being warned the first time, not to be afraid to keep warning me about it. Hence why I assume that everything is okay now. "After all" I assume "if something was wrong, someone would have warned me about it...right?"
e) A few hours ago I am asked to leave due to many members complaining over my attitude and I leave.

Now. What is clear to me is that I should not have attended raids...at all. If I had known it would turn out this way I would honestly say fuck all to all the epics I got, because they are not worth hurting people over (advertently or inadvertently) Hence why I will never again join a raiding guild or quite possibly even attend any raid seriously. Because, for my taste, during them people honestly start taking things too seriously, even when they try their best not to. Anything that I said was taken as if I wanted to take charge of the whole situation...for a time I admit it was so...but after that I honestly dropped it for good and decided to just crack jokes and similar shite. So if the reason for me leaving was that...I assure you...all I wanted in the past month was to attend and help with the raids. But I suppose that didn't point come across...I retained my own style of typing things in /raid and /guild and some people just saw the same old me who tried to take command of things, even though I had not stated this out loud once after that one time in Kharazan. *sigh*

Anyway...no need to be sorry about me leaving and no need to drag this out over into an emofest over the /gchat or such. This was an event, no more no less. Some people disapproved of my attitude, yet after receiving many whispers after I had quit the guild, that they were in fact saddened that I left, I see that it was not just me where the problem lay. Hence why, for one last time, I am going to state my opinion on it all. (I had contemplated if I should do this since it's obvious some people don't appreciate my opinions...but then again...some in the guild do appreciate them. Of *that* much I am sure after those whispers).

I think this guild is something truly to be proud of. It is rare beyond belief to find a group of such people and it has been a true honor to be a part of it. Don't ever let anyone tell you different, for they would be greatly mistaken. However...in spite of that it's still the same as many places in WoW in one aspect. A virtual world where people take things too seriously for my taste and take everything that is said with great weight...even if they do claim they take it with a pinch of salt.

I remember not so long ago when I did the same...now quite simply I can't afford to give a damn anymore. If it wasn't working out, then it just wasn't. Period. We'll try something else then. Hence why my departure is honestly nothing that I would find saddening. To be honest raiding did not quite grip me the same way as PVP or RP (of which in fact I had done almost none since joining the Libertines <.<) and in the end I see this as an awesome opportunity for me to devote myself to those two things more. After all...what is this server we play on titled, eh? *smirks*

That should be it. That is my opinion. Feel free to shit on it, feel free to think it was unnecessary, I honestly do not give a serious damn. Why don't I give a damn? Not because I think your opinions are not important (of course they are), not because I want to run everything myself and therefore think all other opinions are stupid. But because what we are talking about is a videogame after all. As I said to Horatious, for all I know you people could be a group of aliens from outer space that were observing my actions here and now. I know...it's horribly silly to think that and actually mean it, but the point of it is that I do not take internet friends as something that has to be nurtured to as much a degree as RL friends. I did that once...and in the end the result was I had no RL friends and tonnes of internet ones and it was hurting me badly...ironically enough this is shifting to the opposite now it seems...and in a way I don't mind it really.

So thanks for having me onboard everyone. And as I have said to Heresy - to all the people that I had apparently inadvertently insulted - know that I had never meant to do so and know that you have understood me wrongly. That doesn't mean it's your fault...but it does mean that if you feel like it you can talk to me about it over /whisper or mail anytime and I will *not* bite off your head. Or not. It's your choice really. And to all the people that did like me for who I was, please keep in touch. It'll be good to chat a bit with ya'll again.

Take care everyone. And keep going...this guild is something that any server should lick its' 5 fingers over any time of the day. And I say that with utmost honesty.

\o

Atare Skydancer a.k.a. Lenart Pogačnik

[Rayaleith]

All of a sudden to me this comes. I saw you as a great player, great guy and fun to play with. I find it harsh to say you shouldn't have attented to raids, as in my own opinion you had the right to come and share your opinions of how things could be done. But as you said, this is internet, it's just a game. Some takes even those things too seriously, but I, for one, would have looked at them in differents aspects and figure out if that could be seriously possible or not. I am not easily insulted, hence I look over everyone opinions and think them through before setting my own opinion about things.

For the short time I know you in the guild I had some certain respect towards you and your acts. Tho as I hardly ever speak in the /gchat or /raid or even in vent, it only means that I'm thinking a lot or concentrating seriously to what I'm doing, at the same time also reading and listening what happens in /gchat and /raid of course.

Honestly speaking, I wish you luck in whatever you do ingame and have fun with it.

\o

[Aeribian IV]

Bye, it was fun raiding with you, good luck with your next endaevour!

[Snubson]

No doubt I'll see you a lot in bg's and suchlike, so...yeah, keep in touch if you need a rogue or shammy for anything, no doubt a couple others'll be the same, but cannot talk for them.

Take it easy fella.

[Guido]

And I was wondering why Atare was not guilded last night in the bgs..I thought it was some of the typical demotion /gkick jokes so I didnt give it much notice really. Then again I hadn't read this thread!!!!

Your thoughts and your choices are respected by all. I met you as a Libertine and its weird to see you without that wee title floating over your head.

And yeah yeah this is just a game but in its mechanics. We've talked and talked with everyone on many matters, like mates talkin over the phone. And I for one think of all the libertines as friends.

The Guido is too easy ya think eh?! :P

I guess all Im saying is that for whatever reason someone leaves this guild, (e.g whether they would like to pvp/rp/raid more) we all will always remain friends tbh, cause this is from what I've seen till today the core of the guild.

Anyways, I dont want to babble a lot more, good luck, gg, and may the force be with ya *chuckles*

*hugs*

[Paladis]

t'internet is a fickle thing,the written word can be so emotionlessly stale and so so easily misunderstood.As all who have played online with me will know i can be the most misunderstood person alot of the time.

On a personal level i truely wish you all the best in everything you do,most people can come across as arrogant at times without meaning to be that way...Even whole nationalities can come across as arrogant (bloody french).

Your right in thinking far too many people take raiding far far too serious at times. Even though that was the start of the troubles i dont think it was the end problem. Some people dont let things go easily it seems and can be easily annoyed too quickly.

Pity you never played UO afew years back,think ye might've fit the role of a Kaldorian well *winks*.

All the best Atare.

[Atare]

Originally Posted by Guido

And yeah yeah this is just a game but in its mechanics. We've talked and talked with everyone on many matters, like mates talkin over the phone. And I for one think of all the libertines as friends.

The Guido is too easy ya think eh?! :P

Not at all Guido. I think anyone who considers friends over internet as equals to RL friends has done nothing wrong and if it's working out for them, then by all means they should keep it up. It's just that...it would not work out for me. As I said initially, I can't afford to treat them the same way, because back a few years when I actually did that the end result was that I had no RL friends. And I felt ugly inside because of that. Some people might not, but as I said...it just wasn't working out for me.

But nah, of course. If it is working out for you, then keep it up. It doesn't mean in any way you're "too easy". All that it means is that what works for you doesn't necessarily work for me. But just because I don't give that much weight on internet friends doesn't mean that I can't have a good or bad opinion on them. Hence why I said what I did at the end about the Libertines as a guild.

[Guido]

*hugs*

Just please don't forget about us is all and don't be a stranger.

[Lacho]

Hope all goes well for you Atare

*waves*